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Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Competitors: 10 favourite robots

leo mcCarthy (Hypnocanoe)

Tuesday, August 7, 2001 - 08:44 pm
Chaos 2. Tornado.
Twn Twrn.
Hypno-disc(Robogeddon and splinter are fine examples.)

Rachel Dittrich (Spam)

Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 02:07 pm
1. Spikeasaurus (I love this bot- shows you don't need fancy tech to be was robbed)
2. Cassius (quality name quality bot and I'm a Mohammad Ali fan)
3. That lobster (I thought it was not very good but was proved very wrong)
4. Wild thing (fantastic driving, who could not love it after seeing it vs. Hypno)
5. Panic attack (nice forks, great driver)
6. Tornado (speeeeeeeeed!)
7. Dominator 2 (an axe that works, cool)
8. Chaos 2 (class)
9. Onslaught (dinky)
10. Pussycat (didn't like it at first but have been won over by Alan's charm)

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Competitors: Who's the best driver ever and who's the worst

Garry Brown (Majson)

Saturday, September 8, 2001 - 01:32 pm

pussycat isnt that hard to drive at all..if i can do it anyone can..or does that mean that a lot of drivers on robotwars are really bad.

But he does do a good job of driving it true:)

i would say that andrew marchant is a good driver too and also the guy who drives stinger...i know Kevin Scott is the captain but not sure if he drives the setup for stinger is a lot more complex than most other robots

Do you see

Stephen Pearson (Hairy_Steve)

Saturday, September 22, 2001 - 09:15 pm
Ian Swann was pretty good at driving his ant, the one with the spinny thing not his mini Chaos 2, it's extremely fast - I tried driving it and it was very tricky, I was skidding it all over the place! :) Best bit of driving I saw today was Tornado vs Dominator 2 and Behemoth, they rammed Behemoth and lobbed it straight out the arena, then after a good tussle managed to get under Dominator 2 and chuck them out too.

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Competitors: Tornado, is there anything with more power!

leo mcCarthy (Hypnocanoe)

Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 08:11 pm
Your average Robot has 2bhp, Tornado has 7bhp.
Who do you think is the most powerfull pusher.
This is my opinion:
2:Steg 2

Ed (Stormguy)

Monday, September 17, 2001 - 10:26 am
ST is the only robot to ever give Tornado a real problem (other than house robots).

Tornado and Mortis had a pushing match at a charity event. Even with Rob standing on Mortis to give it more traction and applying full power, Tornado easily pushing Mortis back.

There's very little that gets in Tornado's way and gets away with it !


joe phillips (Kingjoe)

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 06:49 pm
I think a rhino could out push tonado I know were talking about robots that could out push it but a rhino would be more than capable

Mike Lambert Dantomkia (Grafix)

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 10:52 pm
Ed, Dantomkia can stand up to Tornado and walk away with a smile.

Richard Weir FM (Softweir)

Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 11:18 pm
I think you could help yourself to a :O of pride there Mike! (Dantomkia tows 4x4s with ease.)

Would a rhino be within the weight limit? Who'd want the job of telling it to go away? :)

Adrian Bond (Tytalus)

Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 10:43 pm
Ed, what house robot problem? From what I can remember there is a good bit of footage with Shunt, the Sumo king, being pushed arround sideways by Tornado, at about 5-10mph!

Shame some things need to change...

Gary Mc Nally (Gyrochopper)

Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 05:11 pm
HEH T.O.P waws one of the coolest robots I have ever seen!

By the way the robot wasnt called axe-awe, it was Orange-awe :-)

And by the way, Tornado doesnt realy have 7BHP SHOCK SHOCK HORROR HORROR! They limit there cureent well below the 150Amps nominal; at 24 volts, and to get 7Hp both motors would need a peak current rate of around 220Amps, but they still have alot of power! I have my own theory of how they get torque and speed, maybe with some sexy electronics to change the gear ratio when there is a lot of force applied to the robot, thats what I am considering for one of my robots (Not culture shock!) This new one that I will build on a limited budget (About 200 quid MAX!) will use sensors (home made) at the front of the robot, and when I hit something, it will trigure a mechinism, that will make a servo switch to a higher gear ratio, therefore giving more torque, and puching power. Through homemade aluminium tracks with rubber padding, and starter motors for a drive system, this should be enough to hit anything with alot of force, then still get them pushed round the arena. And who knows? maybe I could make it autonomous (intelligent)

Anyway, the office party was a very good robot (haha I cant say that with a straight face :)) but it was very well made, and like Dantomkia, used its good sound construction to win battles with ease. It also showed good engineering and inititive can make a very good robot indeed.

Gary Mc Nally,

craig danby (Maddog)

Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 08:41 pm
Well Hydra beat tornado today in tug of war but they had wets on and hydra had slicks unfair me thinks?

I don't care me B!TCH broke down twice with in 5 mins first the radio then the Battery good damn it all

Andrew Marchant (Tornado)

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 08:42 am
Hi Gary,

I already explained this to you when you emailed me on 4th September, and still you feel you have to claim you know different. I have to say I'm dissapointed.

Anyway, our calculations show a peak motor current of 141 amps is required to produce 3.5 horsepower from each motor. 1 horsepower = 750W. Our spreadsheet shows the peak power output to be 2712.405W - that's actually about 3.6 horsepower. The theoretical maximum input power, remembering we run at 36volts, is 141A x 36V = 5076 watts! This gives a horridly poor efficiency of 53% at this rpm (3150 rpm).

Electronics can only "change the gear ratio" either with a physical gear change with a multi speed gear box (like the new Mortis), using brushless motors (like the new and old Mortis), or by using field wound motors with seperate control over the field. We use the Bosch GPA 750W with a permanent gear ratio of 17.5:1 as I'm sure you know, and that definately does not fall into one of the above three categories.

As for Hydra beating us at the tug of war, yes they did, we could argue about it but we won't, lets just say on the day they were better. Well done to them. At least there's no tug of war event on the TV show!

To answer the subject of this thread, power wise, other robots are starting to get close, if not equal. Hydra runs a very similar setup to ourselves (4WD/36V/2x 750W Bosch), as now does King B. Roger Plant has some new motors in WBC this year which he says are as powerful. Of course you're all forgetting Chaos 2, who for a long time has been running 12V Bosches at 24V. That gives a theoretical power output of over 2.8kW per motor, that's about 3.7 horsepower. It requires a mammouth 233 amps to produce that though!

Team Tornado

PS - If you don't believe me, download our motors spreadsheet and do the calculations yourself. The actual figures can be found on the "Calcs" page. Peak output will always be at half max rpm - that's Point Number 25 on the sheet.

leo mcCarthy (Hypnocanoe)

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 03:05 pm
Bu...uut Tornado...can't be b-beaten its the MOST powerfull...*boo-hoo*....*sniff*
Do'nt tell me Chaos2 is more powerfull than Tornado, im sure Tornado pushed them into Shunt in series4?

Andrew Marchant (Tornado)

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 08:40 pm
Hi Leo,

Power is just a figure - traction matters too! We did indeed push Chaos 2 into Shunt in series 4, and since then have pushed them all over the place at the Debenham charity event. Chaos doesn't have excellent traction, George has even put studs into his tyres to try and get more.

There's a key word above - THEORETICAL. It's almost impossible to put the power that a robot generates onto the arena floor, also the batteries have to be able to supply the current required (our Genesis have no problem!). Almost all competitive robots can spin their tyres when driven against a wall...

Team Tornado

Gary Mc Nally (Gyrochopper)

Monday, October 1, 2001 - 07:44 pm
Andrew I am sorry, I will now eat my HUGE colection of hats. I dont think I was doing the spreadsheet thingy writgh, Cause I am a silly boy :) I REALY am sorry! I was in no way dissing, you or the rest of the team and especially not Tornado, as I worship the ground it rolls on :) I think I made a few to many mistakes with the current limit thingy, + I think I might have accidently changed the Bosch 750 figures on my spreadsheet :( anyway, I am truwly sorry! (Christ im saying sorry alot today :)) I was just silly.

I will now get back to my hats :-) (they dont taste to good)

Hydra (Dennisl)

Tuesday, October 2, 2001 - 08:12 pm
Hydra weighed in at 97 Kg for Series 5. We did have a full fire extinguisher on board, which would have been an additional 2 Kg of CO2. We are running a similar setup to Tornado with 2 x Bosch 750/36v/4WD. The electrics are 4QD speed controllers with Team Delta interfaces. As this is our first year at Robot Wars we decided to keep it simple and use proven components.
We are running on slicks at the moment but as we found out in Series 5, slicks and a slippery arena don't mix very well. Lesson learned for next year!!
After seeing Tornado is last years RW, we decided to model Hydra's drive system on that and very reliable it has been so far (touch wood)
As we are using NCC70's we will not get the current into the Bosch's that other controllers will give but once the wheels start spinning (which seems to be most of the time) the load comes off the motors and you won't draw the high currents anyway.
Saturday 29th was a great day out and we are looking forward to the next Robot meet where ever it may be


Dennis & Andrew
Team Hydra

Kevin Breen (Plunderus55)

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 08:29 pm
Haza, you just have to push the post this message button once.
Panzer Mk 2 pushed Tornado around and generally dominated it during the Second World Championships.:)

Vincent Blood (Vinnyblood)

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 07:44 am
Kevin, just a quick bit of advice, the 2nd World Champs hasn't been screened in the UK yet so please don't post about it until it has (I've seen it myself thanks to my US inlaws).

leo mcCarthy (Hypnocanoe)

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 04:32 pm
AAAAR!!!! Tornado's getting overtaken by more powerfull machines!! Quick, equip it with some wet tyres, buy some Magtec motors and get better speed controllers!! *gibber* *panic*

Ed (Stormguy)

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 05:32 pm
wet tyres ?... Tornado run wets most of the time anyway. Better speed controllers ... and where exactly do you think they should get these 'better' speed controllers from ? Come to think about it, what's wrong with the ones they have got ? Don't think Tornado's in need of an upgrade just yet !


Kevin Breen (Plunderus55)

Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 05:46 pm
Dear Vincent,
I only said it was able to push Tornado and generally dominate it. I didn't say it won, I didn't say it lost. I seem to remember other robots dominating their matches but that doesn't always mean that you win (Razer vs. Inquisitor):). Just Kidding about that one. If I wanted to divulge the information as to who won then I would just say that #@$@!$#%$#@^ from the $#@^%@&&$& was victorious after defeating $@!^%$!#^&@ from the $#^&$#^#&^. HeHe:)
(Sarcasm Alert)By the way Vince, If I'm not mistaken, you saw the world championships because Razer was competing in it.
Sincerely speaking, Thank you for not being a jack@$$ about pointing out that I mentioned something that few in the UK have seen. I don't give results but I have occasionally let slip the occurrences of war. I only wrote that post because the thread was Tornado, is there anything with more power!

leo mcCarthy (Hypnocanoe)

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 10:51 pm
I've just worked out that I could probably easily win a tug of war with Tornado!
A car is easy for me to push(with the hand brake off, obviously!), yet Robots(like Tornado)only JUST pull cars and other manchines, therefore I' could probably stand a chance against them!

I'm proud of myself for being more powerfull then Tornado!!!!
blue red yellow

Ed (Stormguy)

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 09:55 am
Leo, you really are a prat aren't you ? Have you ever seen a robot towing a car. Storm will pull a car up a hill at 10mph. I'd like to see you push a car up any sort of incline, let alone at a fast running pace !

I'll say it again.... prat


Andrew Marchant (Tornado)

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 07:36 pm

It takes all three of the team to push Bryan's Land Rover 101 Ambulance (which weighs at least 3 tons!). Tornado manages to pull it, but only just!

Team Tornado

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Robot Wars Live Events: Live Event in Brighton 22nd September 2001

Mike Lambert Dantomkia (Grafix)

Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 04:04 pm
I would like to thank everyone for a great day. It was just a shame that Dantomkia was not finished in time to fight. But.... maybe next time.

Congratulations to Tornado, Dominator II and Behomoth for getting into the finals and Tornado eventually winning. A classic fight.

Saturday evening was brilliant. Good food and great company. My lads enjoyed their selves a great deal.

And special thanks to the Watts family for opening their house and hosting us. I pity their neighbours. They must dread events like this.


Mike Lambert.

Josh Pinto (Pin)

Monday, September 24, 2001 - 08:55 pm
Thanks to Ian and everyone who put together the excellent day, I would like to thank also the guys who carried all the robots (including ours) up and down that hill!!

We got out fist ever victory against Wolverine and got knocked out by Tornado who went on to win (well done lads) so we were well pleased with Roobarbs performance.

I have got video footage of some good fights, Cheese v Buxton & Smidsy v Terorhertz as well as ours! and I will be putting them on our website soon, I will post here when I get it done.

Josh - Team Roobarb

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Robot Wars Live Events: The Southfield Robot Fayre 2001 (Sat) 29th Sept

Kruel Intent (Kruelintent)

Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 05:54 pm
Hello all, great event, shame about the weather.

Tornado's 'disk' looks awesome!:)

Didn't see you Toby, sorry...

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: RW EXTREME [warning pre-BBC2]: This thread is for spoilers.....

Gary Mc Nally (Gyrochopper)

Tuesday, October 9, 2001 - 07:07 am
Can I just say that I loved the new graphics on that show! Oh yeah, and Tornados new spinning disc = great, im so excited! I dont have to watch re-runs of series 2 :-)

Robot Wars Discussion Forum: RW EXTREME [warning pre-BBC2]: WARNING

Ed (Stormguy)

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 10:30 pm
surley not Kevin ;o) ? oh, sorry I couldn't make it at the weekend, heard it was a usual predictable event though - Tornado kept winning things ;o)


Tom Hatfield (Hatty)

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 03:37 pm
May I just say:

The Era of Chaos 2 Has Ended
The King is Dead

Ok now I've got that out of my system, I loved the featherweights, Rob's probably right; they didn't want to hit anyone in the audience by putting one on the flipper. Well done Beefcake, that robot is FAST it's good to see someone take on the house robots, even if they didn't do any damage, very mean of Sir K running you over. Oh and on the debate about Mentorn getting weights etc wrong, they claimed Panic Attack had an unreliable weapon and worst of all; 10 seconds after the Beefcake team had said they weighed 3kg the info said they were 4kg.

Robert T (Robert_T)

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:42 pm
OK so Razer has beaten Chaos 2 Before, Tornado has beaten chaos 2 Twice. Now its Razer V Tornado, either way their both great :) Great way to finish extreme off.

And Killalot, well Bigger Brother say they can lift half a ton, well maybe if they attacked the back or sides of killalot?..I dunno where is the most weight in killalot stored.....a secret guarded closely by bbc operatives is suspect, mwwwwhaaaaaahahahahha :)

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