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Robot Wars Discussion Forum: Robot Wars USA: American bots and thier British look-a-likes.
| Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 11:39 pm |
Tornado is a copy TRACY or so I was told.
| Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 01:16 pm |
If anything, much of Tornado was copied from KingB, because it's a robot that Dave admires greatly. The only Tracy I know of is the UK "TRACIE" from Series 2 - our sides were originally intended to be the same as on Tracie, but we did not have the weight!
| Monday, November 19, 2001 - 01:58 pm |
Blimey, that is real flattering.. I never knew that.
| Monday, November 19, 2001 - 08:39 pm |
It's true Si - we have the original Technical Manual with us when we were planning Tornado, and the one page we kept going back to was page 93...
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: TV Shows: Robot Wars Extreme: Show 1
| Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:26 pm |
RW Extreme… nice fights, rubbish in between, but it isn't the normal show! Between Spikes and Andrews comments you can gather that this was hyped up WWF style. The only difference is that the guys and gals aren't actors (unlike WWF), and the lines ain't scripted. However, what they lose not having acting classes, they gain in the grey matter stakes!
As for Tornados performance, 3 motors appear to have taken a bit of wind out of its storm, but what the weapon can actually do is lost in the scale of the bots. Just because you don't see bits flying everywhere like a Hypnodisc or Pussycat attack doesn't mean it ain't happening. The problem is of course, this is TV, shouldn't it be impressive to the cameras? (Tip, see it at one of the small events, different weapon, different impression.)
Now that a lot of you have seen the new robots, did the worry some of you have about the extra 20kg leading to overweight unimpressive robots seem founded, or are the new 'bots still as impressive?
| Monday, November 19, 2001 - 08:40 pm |
It's not three motors that make most of the difference - it's the right flippin' batteries! For that grudge match and the All Stars we ran the Kiels - and they are a pile of %#$£! I'm being a bit harsh, maybe they're OK for 2WD robots with gas weapons, but that's about it... See our battery recommendations page for a proper test of the Kiels against other batteries.
Watch out for the difference in the shows filmed at Elstree (look for pulley guard on belt side of disc and white rather than clear bottoming feet) - the difference is dramatic! We were running Hawker Genesis batteries supplied by Knight Batteries - these gave us a much better performance and weren't dying towards the end of the fight like the Kiels.
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: General: An Extreme Discussion
| Friday, November 30, 2001 - 09:39 pm |
My thoughts on episode 6
Thermidor and Cerberous just outclassed the other two 'bots. Not much else to say, really. I think it was the shortest tag team yet.
Tornado just completely wasted Behemoth at the start. I know Matilda stopped Behemoth from flipping Tornado out of the arena, but they WERE in Matilda's CPZ. Also, Tornado had Behemoth imobilised when Refbot knocked it back down again, so it evens out really.
Xterminator was easily the best there. I found the fight a lil' boring to be honest.
International 3 way:
I saw Steve say that they were taking a while to self right, but self righting does still count as imobilised, right?
Alien Desctruction was good, and did anyone notice that did launch a couple of good attacks on Chaos2?
Ah, whatever. They both talk big, but stick either of 'em against Hypnodisc and...
| Tuesday, December 4, 2001 - 12:51 pm |
I thought Panzer looked OK, could have done with a bigger weapon but if they failed to make it into S5, the standard must be pretty damn fine. Having said this, X-terminator was always going to win this.
Personally, I thought Tornado vs Behemoth was one of the best fights ever. Spoiled slightly by the fact Matilda had to right Behemoth. On the whole, it was one in the eye for those who think a fight isn't entertaining unless it ends with one robot as a smouldering pile of rubble. Desteruction is not necessarily the key to entertainment!
| Tuesday, December 4, 2001 - 03:52 pm |
It was Refbot who righted Behemoth - Matilda came in while Behemoth had Tornado against the wall and might have flipped it out. Of course, it could have been a good thing that Behemoth was righted - the fight could go on and we could have more action!
| Tuesday, December 4, 2001 - 05:14 pm |
I agree that Tornado Vs Behemoth was one of the best fights i've seen. I couldn't believe how much damage tornado did with its rams to behemoths scoop! Even more than Htpno as far as I can remeber. I also thought the interaction from the house bots was spot on.
| Friday, December 14, 2001 - 08:50 pm |
All star 1
Having read Richard's post, I can only say I KNEW the fight was edited, although I didn't realise why!
Good showing by the Gemini twins, but Razer was just too strong.
According to my calculations, the first round of the all-stars is now complete. I think either Razer or Tornado will win that one.
At last, a REAL long standing grudge match The King going out of control like that was well funny, but a lil' bit scary. The House robots just couldn't catch it!
Chromalot and Napalm just completely outclassed there. ST and SA definitely look like the storngest tag-team, and they're my pick to win it.
Atomic just completely took it to the other two robots, a little reminiscent of their melee last year (but replace Chaos2 with Atomic, obviously). Having seen Atomic2 in action, I reckon they COULD stand a good chance if they come up against hypnodisc in S5...
Great fight, almost as good as Behemoth/Tornado. Neither robot ever really had the advantage, and Stinger hit some good ones on Pussycat. I thought they'd stop the blade at a few points, but no. I reckon the cat won it on damage alone.
But I reckon Stinger would have won if they'd just left Pussycat after they became stuck to the floor. But it's probably impossible to notice tiny details like that from the control boxes.
| Saturday, December 15, 2001 - 08:24 pm |
I don't know the result, and Frank's post can be taken either way. It's Vlad's protests that are giving away clues! Or maybe not. I don't know.
Julia's remarks could well have been referring to PC's performance in Extreme up to that point, which had been excellent, though I would be suprised if it was enough to make it number one seed.
I hope PC wins series 5, but then again I hope the same for Razer, or Hypno, or Gemini, or WBC, or ST, or Tornado, or Behemoth.... well, you get the idea - there are so many decent robots, and I wouldn't be disappointed if any one of them wins!
| Friday, December 21, 2001 - 08:38 pm |
ANYWAY! My thoughts on episode 8(?)
Morgue didn't really get a shout in there. Ming 3 is staring to look VERY impressive. Rather pressing as well
Cool battle. Thermidor breaks the rules and pays for it dearly. Steel Avenger and Suicidal Tendencies still looking strong. Did I mention they're my guess for the final?
Comeandgetorix (DAMN that's hard to spell) um... Got it. Tornado just beat them all over the arena, like they did Behemoth. Too soon to say, but I reckon they could keep the belt.
Panic Attack were always gonna win that. That's all I really have to say, although Shear Kahn DID look cool. Shear Kahn was that tiger in the Jungle Book wasn't it?
House robot rebellion:
This really pissed me off. Can you say "fix"? It seems that not only were the competitors NOT made aware of the flipper, but if the House Robots ever looked like losing, they could move in the other three as well. It seems to me that Mentorn were just using Plunderbird, Stinger and Scorpion to make the House Robots look good. Stick 'em in with Razer, Tornado, and Hypnodisc, THEN we'll ahve a real fight on our tellys.
| Friday, December 21, 2001 - 08:47 pm |
actually, i think that would be as one sided, but with the compettitors doing the dominating. Razer would go for 'tilda again, Tornado would push shunt about like we know they can, and Hypno would keep dead metal occupied so they couldn't gang up.
That's why it'll never happen
| Friday, December 21, 2001 - 09:44 pm |
I agree bout the house robot rebellion - i was saying the exact same thing to rich weir before.
Ming was impressive.
Cerberus looks improved. But Thermy disappoints for week no. 2 in a row. ST's crusher isn't doing much. Steel Avenger's axe looks improved, and they actually used the flipper! Tornado thrashed whateverix
Diotoir has gone backwards this year, what happened to the pneumatic arm? That was a much better weapon.
| Friday, December 21, 2001 - 09:48 pm |
I agree about the house Robots battle entirely, I mean, let them kill Plunderbird and scorpion and let the fact that they didn`t kill Stinger be the saving grace for the competitors... That bout was definately fixed to save serious harm to the house Robots, not suprising really, imagine if Razer, Tornado and Chaos-2 got in there, they`d have to suspend filming while they rebuild the things ;-)
What the hell is up with Thermidor??!, it keeps packing up (Twice now) and the driving wasn`t up to their usual standard either in the Tag team bout, I`m really impressed with the advancements they`ve made to the robot but seem to be having some bad luck . Not to take anything away from S.Avenger and Suicide of course, they fought well.
Shear Khan - Nice Robot, shame about the Srimech (or lack thereof), that bot has potential, I can`t wait to see SK2
I really feel that Ming-3 is far weaker than Ming-2 (just my opinion), that "Razer" Beak looks the part but I don`t think that the screwdriver motor driving it has what it takes (MegaMorg looked like it was made of Fibreglass and it had problems doing serious damage to that) and the wheels are exposed unlike Ming-2, in fact Ming-2 was Very tough indeed, it took a repeated pounding from Frenzy`s hammer with only a couple of cracks sustained. unfortunately the first one hit the kill switch..
Now onto my Fave Robot ----Panic Attack--- Wonderful driving from Kim as always, they also had really he only REAL attack on the House robots in that episode (Shunt as it happens)..
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: General: Underated drivers
| Sunday, December 2, 2001 - 03:03 am |
yo peeps its your forum god again
well i was watching some shows of robot wars..amazing that eh
anyway i hear everyone raving about george francis being a great driver and kim davis being briliant but i wonder how much is partly due to the machine they dive? both have gyros to help them drive, all they need to is point the thing in the right direction and push forward and off they go, no offence.
i think some drivers are overlooked though, andrew marchant being one, a brilliant driver of tornado, its so quick to get to speed that you have to be able to control it and hit things. Nick Adams of wild thing also and th behemoth boys are i think underated...anyone else and why?
Do you see
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: TV Shows: Storm Hunters Ch 4 14/01/02.........
| Monday, January 14, 2002 - 03:55 pm |
This programe looks at two tour companies that take people 'Storm Chasing' in 'Tornado Alley' in the U.S.
Watch it, to see the sort of thing Dave Gamble of Team Tornado gets up to!!!
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: General: YES!! RAZER AND TORNADO IN THE FINAL COME ON RAZER
| Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 03:44 pm |
=] i wanted tornado to win (not that i hate chaos2) but coz i wanted it to be tornado + razer in the final i think razer can win unless tornado pushes em into the pit...or he breaks down =S
| Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 04:10 pm |
Well, after the all stars first round, I actually said either Razer or Tornado would probably win it. I guess I win
| Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 04:27 pm |
=] i didnt expect tornado to win but i guese i didnt know how good it was (cept for the power) i thought sum1 wud put it in the pit or out of the arena
| Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 08:32 pm |
Killalot, well, Razer and Pussycat have both beaten him!
I really dont mind too much who wins! Both teams have excellent robots. I worry for Razer, since it doesn't take kindly to very hard knocks... but, tornado's shape if perfect for 'cruchability' (yummy)!
When Chaos 2 did the 'backflip' I was amazed... it's a major design fault to make your flipper to powerful to self distruct if you miss! (I wonder, did Tornado's disc help out?)
If I have to chose, then I'd say Razer, for superior weaponary and design... (plus it's my favourite robot).
Tornado is a beast of a machine though - and did you see how it very nearly push/flipped chaos. (it pushed so hard that chaos 2 turned on it's side... could this happen to razer?) Razer's SHIMECH, is beautiful, but not efficient (it works - just!!)
Razer vs. Pussycat, pah, Fluke! (Pussycats wheels are v. vulnerable, as Tornado showed... Razer will one day gettem!)
Oh hell, all of the top 20 seeds are great robots.
| Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 08:57 pm |
Chaos2 were on a full gas charge(Tornado didn't touch them) I think.
Also when Tornado rammed Chaos2 on the side, it did what Nightmare's disk does - launchs the opponent upwards.
| Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 12:59 am |
I think Tornado might win, if Razor did grab Tornado, (correct me if im wrong here) im sure Tornado would drag razor about, or shove them into a cpz while still grasped allowing the HB to maul razer. i dunno. i just have a feeling about Tornado...
| Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 08:32 am |
So do I actually. I like BOTH Robots a lot and won`t be rooting for either. I`ll just watch it and be happy whichever wins but I DO get a gut feeling that Tornado are in with more than a chance.
| Monday, January 21, 2002 - 03:50 pm |
I think Tornado has a chance but staying away from the beak is prety hard to do.
| Tuesday, January 22, 2002 - 02:12 pm |
I think Tornado would beat Razer. It is simply too quick and the beak is too slow. They should have no fear of ramming the arm as they will get out before it has a chance to close down.
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| Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 06:55 pm |
I always thought that Razer would have Tornado's wheels stuck above the ground with that front scoop. If it catches Tornado with the crusher, even if it doesn't damage Tornado more than cosmetically it will still have a good grip.
This strength I believe would backfire if Razer were to face a powerful and tracked robot such as Suicidal Tendencies, who would go up the wedge and, while clamped on, still maintain traction with the arena floor with the tracks. Besides, Suicidal Tendencies also has an excellent driver... Not saying that Tornado and Razer don't have excellent drivers too
Robot Wars Discussion Forum: General: Must be the best fight
| Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 05:08 pm |
i have just seen fridays episode and that must be the best fight i have seen chaos11 V tornado
what a scrap that was
| Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 10:03 pm |
Chaos2 team, cocky? The problem is, Jules is always cocky enough for the entire team, with all her "...who have NEVER been defeated before" and "They are the reigning champs!" I just wish she'd shut up about that just ONCE! It's the same with Tornado, kind of. I mean, EVERYONE does the same joke about Tornado being a "breeze" or "full of hot air"
| Monday, January 21, 2002 - 07:31 pm |
I'm not sure George is capable of being cocky.
In fact, during an earlier interview, didn't George correct her when she said something daft like "Never defeated.." & say he something like "No, we have lost a few times!!
Also, before Extreme, they fought 3 times at Debenham. Tornado won all 3. Hardly a good start point for being cocky!